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Ryan Schertzer Ryan Schertzer
Ryan joined Seal Software in May 2017 after nearly 14 years of following the same IP through mergers, acquisitions and divestitures that took him from Aelita Software to Quest Software to Dell to Quest and finally to One Identity. In that time he served in various sales leadership roles in the US and EMEA. His deep expertise is in weaponizing inside sales teams for maximum effectiveness. Previously, Ryan also served as WW VP of Sales for Netwrix. At Seal, Ryan is responsible for the Business Development organization, which is a fancy way of saying make sure every person on earth that is responsible for a contract knows who Seal is, what we do and how it can change their life.

How to Find a Mentor and Take Your Sales Career to the Next Level

Ryan Schertzer | Feb 09, 2018

"Mentors pick up where managers leave off."

Just about every salesperson has a story about how a mentor played a role in shaping his or her sales career. But finding the right person is tough. Do you aim high and search for a CEO willing to chat over coffee, or just nail down someone you admire? What traits are important? Once you find a pro willing to give you advice, do you need to have some awkward conversation to define the relationship?

Rather than speculate, we asked an expert for his tips for finding a sales mentor. Ryan Schertzer, Director of Inside Sales at Seal Software, has been in sales and marketing his entire career, and credits mentoring as driving force behind his success. Here’s his take on mentors, and why you need one.

What's your definition of "mentor"?

The first challenge is that very few organizations have any kind of formal mentoring program. If your company does have a program – great! Find out all you can about it and get involved. My experience has been that most organizations are well-intentioned, but lack commitment to putting structure to, and investment behind, mentoring. It seems as though most companies believe that mentoring is done from the manager to the employee. While that can be true in some cases, I’d argue that that is coaching more than mentoring.

Second, it’s sales. The nature of sales itself certainly plays a part in making it difficult to find a successful seller to be your mentor. Salespeople are under constant pressure to perform, which drives them to focus solely on retiring their quota. Many salespeople have the mentality that if it isn’t getting me closer to my number, then I’m not going to waste time on it. They don’t see the long play; how it can benefit the mentee as well as the mentor.

Why is it so important to have a mentor?

Here is an important stat: According to the 2016 Deloitte Millennial Survey, more than six in ten Millennials (63 percent) say their “leadership skills are not being fully developed.” So that tells me young workers are spotting deficiencies in their skill sets. People need to feel like they are improving, and mentors can supplement the lessons learned on the job.

Mentors pick up where managers leave off. Your manager is where you go for job-related coaching. Things like best practices or specific methodology guidance would fall under coaching. Mentoring, on the other hand, tends to be bigger picture and focused on personal and career development as a holistic salesperson and professional. Mentors should be able to offer career guidance on things like how long to stay in a role, what roles to pursue next, what skills to develop in order to achieve long-term goals and how to go about working on those things.

Additionally, mentoring is a good place to go if you need input on dealing with your current manager. It may not even be about a conflict, but advice on how to interact with them or how to handle a specific situation. Sometimes there are things you just don't feel comfortable asking your direct manager.

What are the first steps you should take if you are interested in finding a mentor?

It’s so important for young salespeople to establish relationships with more experienced sales people. The older I get, the more I know I have to learn and the more I have come to value experience. It's like a 40-year-old pitcher in baseball that can't throw in the mid-90s anymore, but is a much better pitcher than he used to be because he's learned to think the game and there's very little he hasn't seen before. Find a person who has been through 50 quarters and hit their number. There are plenty of salespeople out there that have been selling for a long time and still aren't very good at it.

"When you're seeking out a mentor, leave intimidation at the door."

So how do you actually go about finding one? The first thing I would recommend is looking across your internal organization to identify the people who exhibit the behaviors and results you’re looking to emulate and hold the positions you aspire to. Once you’ve identified 1-2 of those people, pick your first choice and approach them about the idea of developing a mentor relationship.

I’d also recommend looking outside of your organization. There are lots of industry thought leaders out there who would be willing to spend a short time with up-and-comers. LinkedIn is a great place to start looking for influencers in specific disciplines. You can be very specific in your search. There are lots of thought leaders for niches like SDR/BDR, field sales or sales management. Join some groups and pay attention to who contributes. See what they have to say. If they regularly contribute meaningful content, they might make a good target.

Once you’ve identified the people you want to approach, you need to be very specific in your request. You’ll likely be granted a little more access to someone internally than you will externally. For an internal person, I’d suggest starting with a monthly cadence and stick to a meeting duration of 30 minutes. The early stages of the relationship should be about getting to know the other person.

Come with a list of questions for them. Here are few: 

  • How did you succeed this business?
  • Why did you choose sales?
  • What things have contributed to your success?

As you spend more time with them the discussion will evolve and you might discuss career path, navigating company politics or how to build a personal sales approach.

Pro tip: When you’re seeking out a mentor, leave intimidation at the door. That high-level exec you want to ask was fresh out of college and eager to advance too. I’m sure she sought out others who had been where she wanted to go and I’m sure that even today she seeks out wise people that can counsel her in this stage of her career. So don’t be intimidated!

What are the elements of a successful mentorship?

First, I think you have to like each other. I don’t mean that you have to vacation together, but you have to enjoy each other enough that there is a mutual respect and commitment to the relationship. Your mentor should be invested in your success and you should hold their accomplishment in high regard.

Second, you need to be able to handle honesty and constructive criticism from your mentor without being defensive. If you believe they are committed to your success, then listen to what they have to say even if you don’t necessarily like it. They may suggest you work longer hours or that you not pursue a promotion at that time. Your role is to understand why they think that and not argue about what they are suggesting.

What if the relationship isn't working?

That’s a tough one. Just like any relationship — professional, platonic, romantic — sometimes these things don’t work out. But I would imagine that if a mentor relationship were going to fail, it would fail early. It goes back to the success criteria that I mentioned. If you get together and don’t enjoy the discussion and don’t share a common vision, then it’s ok to mutually agree that it isn’t a good fit. No harm, no foul. Try again and find someone better suited for you.

Final thoughts?

While it is good to keep things casual, remember that a mentor can have a tremendous impact on your career. The people that I look to as mentors have filled that role consistently for me for nearly 20 years. They have been crucial in my success.

This originally appeared in outreach.io